Trump wins! How it happened and what's next

well let's uh let's just go around the horn who voted for Trump let's all raise their hands for those who voted for Trump ready one two three go I voted twice I voted twice me too for me it was so easy how many swing Stakes did you vote in I voted in four swing stage they sent multiple ballots to my house I filled in all of them cut this out okay let's start your winner ride Rainman David and instead we open source it to the fans and they've just gone crazy [Music] with hey everybody welcome back to my J Kess God your energy is so dork welcome welcome I'm Tim Waltz I'm Tim Waltz of the all-in Pod welcome welcome welcome knucklehead you're the knucklehead of I'm a knucklehead did you just sachche into the your seat I am right here show us your Jazz show us your Jaz by the way that name you just enjoy that name Tim Waltz while you can because you're never going to hear about that guy again he's gonna be more forgettable than Tim Kane they're gonna be doing you see that live bit they're 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fine anybody can do this anyone can do this math how many how many how big is the theater and what are we charging for the tickets well it's not a theater so there's like the tickets are like 500 bucks I love you being the moderator and taking all the arrows this is great never moderating again well it's the PFA remember where they used to have the Exploratorium that that building where they they built for the the World's Fair or whatever so it's in there and it's all empty so we're kind of taking that we're building a stage inside we're going to build all the set and everything yeah should be fun okay so um it sounds great yeah if you could take some pictures sax would love to only unless it's marago saak will not show up I want to just congratulate like oh we're spending a million dollars I won't be there okay sorry keep going I want to congratulate someone really special uh without whom Trump would likely not have been elected president so your bravery your Ingenuity your creativity you led the way and you brought millions of people the direct news they couldn't get anywhere else Jason congrats by putting the all-in Pod you've inadvertently architected a system that's helped return Trump to the White House and for that many people are praising you today congrats Jason how does it feel to have finally accompl your dream feels great yeah absolutely yeah big shout out to J I did see a tweet where somebody somebody gave me a lot of credit for moving the Overton window in Silicon Valley and they said that Jason was indispensable as my foil if I didn't have him to dunk on for four years with my political takes it wouldn't have been nearly as effective so thank you for that absolutely not yeah my pleasure I'm I am Abit to your internal MSM debating partner um we needed someone to represent the Legacy Media point of view absolutely absolutely okay so let's kick it off saak you were at maral Lago on election night I thought it' just be great if you could tell us a little bit about what the scene was like how was it and when did you guys kind of know that Trump had kind of the victory in the bag was it pre uh the polls coming in because you had poster data early or you know tell us a little bit about the experience there and when it all kind of came together yeah I went over there I guess around 7:30 I want to say Eastern Time Tucker invited me to come on his show Tucker was doing a live stream from the library at moral Lago I'd actually never been over there before there was also a dinner going on in the ballroom which was I think primarily for maral Lago members and you know there were some Senators there members of The Campaign and then there was another room set up with a bunch of TVs for basically the the staff to watch the results come in when I first got there people were kind of just watching trying to find out the early results I would say that the The Whispers were positive but people didn't fundly know more than the rest of us you know everyone's kind of waiting for the results to come in I did get a chance to take a photo with the president actually Elon came in separately around the same time and we got a very memorable photograph here when I shook the president's hand I got to tell you he was cool as a cucumber he did not seem nervous did he feel confident like he had it in the bag yeah I think he was confident but I don't think he was acting like he had it in the bag or anything like that they didn't know yet but he was just super super relaxed and calm and um taking photos with everyone a good you remember the moment when his hand touched yours take us to that just unpack it a little bit give you the shake he gives that little shake to exert a little dominance did he give you the shake it was just a normal handshake but my point is like I could detect no nervousness whatsoever on his part and look the rest of us were we were like nervous we were wondering what was whole country was nervous yeah yeah and what were you guys doing just hanging out having cocktails having dinner just everyone was Meandering chilling what's the scene what's the scene like at Marva Lago there's a dinner in the ballroom actually I saw Jared there Jared was very nice to me he he asked me do you want to sit down at the at the dinner and I I could have joined him but then I decided to do the the live stream with you guys and I pulled in Don Jr and we did the live stream with with Don Jr like I said are you officially a Mara Lago member by the way for 500 large oh my Lord is that true 500,000 well that's what Don junr told us but look there's a process to get in I mean I don't I don't live in Palm Beach I I think it's the Palm Beach Community is members of mar Lago yeah so I think that there were you know it wasn't a huge group of people at maral Lago and really all the supporters were convened at the convention center in Palm Beach there were thousands of people there I think originally they had talked about doing a election night party at maral Lago but it just got too big so they moved it to the convention center so I don't know whatever it was that I dropped off the live stream with you guys I then moved to the convention center Got Back back on with new and then we were kind of waiting at the convention center we were all feeling good increasingly so throughout the night I would say that when Pennsylvania finally got called then I think everyone knew that it was in the bag at that point and it was just a matter of time before the election got called for for Trump and then you know at some point they kind of hurted us downstairs into that large Ballroom where Trump gave his victory speech with the rest of the campaign staff so the final t it looks like is going to be 3112 Electoral College votes for president Donald Trump versus KLA Harris's 226 just for context in 2016 Trump won with 304 electoral votes and Biden won in 20120 with 306 so it's a pretty sweeping Victory he won all the supposed swing States this year fairly resoundingly there's there's no real super close calls there's some close calls but but pretty resounding victory chth what happened wow it's a it's a really good question I think that there's many layers of the answer but I think in its most basic calculation I think that the bottom fell out of the democratic party and if you look at why there's a simple explanation and then there's the more nuanced explanation I think the simple explanation is like they just lost the script I think that there was so many people that just got really tired of being spoken at and labeled misogynist racist fascist transphobe whatever it was and there was just these Litany of these judgmental labels that would come out instead of engaging on the topics at hand so I think the Democratic party played this game of trying to use identities genders races as a bid to basically get people that they thought should always vote in their direction to continue to support them and instead what happened was people just started to think for themselves and say hold on a second I'm just a normal person that wants to be left alone what matters to me and I think what Donald Trump spoke to was a desire for folks to have economic Prosperity a safe neighbor neighborhood a predictable educational curriculum where these kids could go to school not be indoctrinated and come out the other side and just know some useful skills so that they could get a good job and do better than they did and all these basic truths ended up on the ballot and so it was a bunch of perception versus just a bunch of hard realities and I think Trump stayed focused and ultimately made sure that people understood that that's what he was focused on and I think the Democrats just went to this place of demagoguery and labels and I think it was just a resounding defeat and David I just want you to like just to put a pin in on how resounding it is in California and New York which I would say are the two most prolific bastions of elitist liberal thinking Democrats won those States in some of the narrowest margins they've ever seen I think in 2020 they won California by 29 Points it was barely half is what they won by this year in New York it shrunk to a 12-point margin so what is this telling you it's telling you that the Democrats really need to retool and get back to First principles it was a cataclysmic dismissal of wokeism of cancel culture of judgmentalism it was an ringing endorsement of a meritocracy of just plain simple common sense of talking with people and to people being able to tolerate disagreements remaining friends all of those things were on the ballot and it it was just an absolute resounding victory for just normaly that's what I think we saw we saw a return to normaly Jason do you think that that message got across more clearly in this election than ever before as some have claimed because of the power of alternative media for reaching the audience rather than having everything pushed through reporters and traditional Legacy Media in this case many of the candidates particularly on the Republican side went direct to the audience through long form podcasts like ours but also Joe Rogan and Lex and many others and did that move the needle for a lot of people in a way that won this or was it the policies and the difference alone yeah I well clearly being on podcast was a major part of Trump's strategy that people are starting to report on right now and you know in media you go where the audience is and I think the Democrats just didn't get that now stepping back I think the number one problem here is the candidate that the Democrats put up and probably the close number two is inflation and you know the economy as you know we all know it's the economy stupid if you were paying $2 for a cheeseburger at McDonald's and now it's $4 that's what people are going to remember and the inflation that occurred over this last four years was huge and people cited that over and over and over again so there's probably three buckets you could put this conversation into there's the candidate KLA Harris was a terrible candidate she was put in at the last minute and she was annointed and she didn't go through a proper primary I think that's probably number one in this entire thing it was a terrible candidate you're saying you're saying number one is the candidate I number one's the candidate uh number two I think because remember Trump was incredibly unpopular as well and all credit to Trump for winning and running an incredible campaign I mean just they they crushed it on podcast with JD Vance turned out to be spectacular on podcasts and really delivered the message and um you know then number two is obviously inflation in the economy and then I think number three is the bucket that shamat started with which is the country really really does not like being told that they're racist or sexist Etc cancel culture and you put those three things together one of the things that's coming out right now is some of the ads and we'll play an ad here I wanted you guys to see this I think this ad sums up exactly how bad kamla was and we'll combine this ad with just some of the statistics that have come out of how many people have gone right this is Charlemagne the God from The Breakfast Club for those who don't know in a Donald Trump ad taxpayer funded sex changes for prison surgery um for prisoners for prisoners every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access hell no I don't want my taxpayer dollars going to that comma supports transgender sex changes in jail with our money comma even supports letting biological men compete against our girls in their Sports Kamala is for they them president Trump is for you I'm Donald J Trump and I approve this message and so how does kamla come back from this with black voters with male voters with people who are tired of having this agenda shoved down their throat obviously it's going to be incredibly difficult plus she was in charge of the Border claimed she wasn't plus she was in charge of uh you know and Biden were in charge of the economy when inflation spiked terrible candidate combined with a bad track record combined with a flawless campaign from Trump I think easy Victory and you know if we pull up this uh ft chart Nick that I sent you ahead of time and I tweeted this you know Americans Love winners and Innovation and they hate socialism and this woke nonsense and if you look at how Trump's support increased look at this chamat every single demographic black Asian Hispanic 18 to 29 30 to 34 fale white college men except for two 6 5year old plus very moderately very modestly went left and white college women very modestly went left in terms of increasing support otherwise a hard shift right including some categories so so so the biggest the biggest shift right was in Hispanic and Asian population right and these are groups of people I think who you you can you can double click on young people Hispanic and Asians Asians believe in meritocracy I think is what most people have read into that dramatic swing and Hispanics are anti or more traditional family values and that's probably what pushed that so far right but I wanted to just get your take on that chart chamama in relation to your handicapping of the election and then how much comma and how much the inflation played into it I think that there are three ways to kind of identify and tell me if you guys think these are the wrong vectors there's either the policies the candidate and the methods of the campaign all of it it's all three right that's how I kind of break down what happened in this election cycle there's a a big difference between the candidates as people some people cannot see past the fact that comma did not get any primary vote some people cannot see past yep the behavior of Donald Trump on Twitter and when he talks to people and how he has talked to people and perceived to be a bully and the felony conviction and some people cannot get past other factors of those two candidates and then some people can get past it I've been saying this since I'm blew in the face but I'll try it again I think that the mainstream media has been working hand inhand with the Democratic party to propagate and move forward an agenda that tried to vilify Donald Trump I did not know that when I initially encountered him in 2015 as a candidate but what you're supposed to do as an adult is once you start to see a pattern of behavior you know this is for the safety security of your family this is about how you think about economically taking care of your family like you have to reerrr you must be prepared to change your mind when you see important information and I have said this till I blew in the face but I'll say it again if I think of all of the people in the political infrastructure of America that I have met and spent time with from Bill Clinton on I remember sitting and having dinner with Barack Obama the day of brexit and getting a note that he read and he said oh my gosh and says wow the UK just pulled out I was sitting across from him that dinner I've been with all of these people the Democrats only come to me to ask me for money the only politician that has ever called me just to have a conversation just to say thank you and be kind the only one has been Donald Trump isn't that incredible of all of the people every other person has only ever called and asked me for money so what does that mean I think what it means is that there has been a concerted effort to perturb the way that you interpret who he is separately there's been a concerted effort to prop up whoever is sitting against him in opposition and I think this is an opportunity to finally acknowledge that if you trust these traditional Legacy sources of helping you to get to a decision you're going to get tricked there's that old saying you know fool me once shame on you but fool me twice shame on me because I am now allowing this to happen and I think that for a lot of Americans that is what happened I think it is really as simple as that I think they were able to see through the veneer of an attempt to malign and Corner somebody and on the other side an attempt to basically play on Vibes and feelings and emotions and I don't think that America wants that that is not what they want in running the country they want somebody serious running the country where you can have disagreements with them and you can still find an opportunity to work together with those people I think it's that sex do you do you think about how important the policy versus the individual versus the way they ran the campaign the media and how they reached people as as kind of three vectors and if so how would you kind of rank those three in importance and what changed people's votes and got them to vote differently than they did in the last election yeah I think it's a pretty good framework I mean you have the message you have the messenger and I guess you have the the campaign at a tactical level I think it's a little bit unfair to blame this entire defeat on KLA Harris being a bad messenger or candidate it's true she's not the greatest candidate she has a lot of problems however I don't think she was dealt particularly strong hand the fact the matter is that we did have rampant inflation in this country that really hurt people in their pocketbooks every time they went to the grocery store and that resulted from the trillions of spending that was agreed to by virtually the entire Democratic party remember they not only did they pass trillions in spending they wanted four and a half trillion more for build back better and the only reason that didn't happen is because mansion and Cinema voted against it and can you imagine how much worse how much worse would have been Mansion was driven into retirement and Cinema was basically kicked out of the party she effectively told us that at the all-in summit so this defeat is on the entire Democratic party the Democratic party was in support of Joe Biden and KLA Harris's agenda they were in support of the de facto open border policies they were in support of the softon crime Soros da decarceral policies you can see that even in California which is a deep blue State there's a huge backlash huge this sort of insane soft on crime agenda the Democrats have 70% of California voted for prop 36 which basically reversed the excesses of Prop 47 which a decade ago basically made shoplifting legal in California you know who opposed prop 36 despite its massive popularity Gavin Nome KLA Harris wouldn't say whether she supported it or not so what you see is that even in blue States the Democratic party Elites are completely out of touch with what people want and then finally you've got foreign policy where I think that the the Democratic agenda basically one to engage in a proxy war with Vladimir Putin because he's the Incarnation of all evil that I think is blown up in the collective West face that has been a disaster that was supported by the entire Democratic party so on issue after issue that I think mattered in this election you cannot just put the blame on KLA Harris it's got to be on the Democratic party as a whole and just to Echo what Chamas said about the cultural stuff they've talked down to us they've lectured us they've insulted us they've censored us they've gaslit us they've tried to cancel us they've tried to cancel us they tried to punish descent with Warfare they turned Elon into an enemy which was the single worst own goal in history remember this wasn't just and Joe Rogan don't forget out as well Bernie supported Joe Rogan but with Elon it wasn't just disinviting him we never inviting him to the EV Summit it goes all the way back to Lena Gonzalez's tweet telling him to F off and leave the state of California so look the Democrat party as a whole has to own this and they're not going to start winning elections again until they have an improvement in their agenda not just their messenger so saak is this the nature of democracy that over time when you have a two-party system and one party veers too far to the left or one party veers too far to the right people jump ship to the other party and ultimately they pull the policies of the party that they left back to the middle and that's the way democracy is supposed to work and has worked historically so is this the way it's supposed to go and do we project that four years from now the Democrats will need to be and need to adjust to the center and will'll see less of this extremism because of the way the voting turned out this this I think that's a very interesting question is whether the Democrats have the necessary introspection to learn from this loss I would say that one of them does if you look at Mat glacius who's someone I've sparred with on on Twitter X who is a Democrat partisan he basically tweeted a list of principles that he thought the Democratic party needed to adopt I read it and retweeted I said laughing my ass off this is a list of Republican principles it was all about you know opposing woke and being in favor of Merit and Innovation tolerance I'm like great look you know what if the Democratic party wants to adopt these principles that's a wonderful thing for the country I hope that they do it okay but will they do it I have my doubts you look at this tweet by Ari f where he talks about who the Democratic party now is yeah I think that this is a really important tweet because it sort of tells you Sak who's going to be left in the room if these are the only people left in the room the last thing they're going to do is admit defeat right exactly so what you see is that the Democratic party base is these very affluent very overeducated very non-religious types and frankly I wonder whether they're too out of touch to know they're out of touch they're certainly very whiny and entitled and I just don't think they're going to seed control of the party without a fight and frankly they've disappeared so far up their own woke asses that I don't think they can find an electoral majority if they try so if these people stay in control of the party and these are the people who you're seeing having a mental breakdown on Tik Tok they're posting all the videos they're insulting the electorate and let's face it it's not just on Tik Tok it's on the Legacy Media it's on msdnc it's basically the the Legacy Media who are trying to diagnose a psychosis in the American electorate to explain why they were so wrong if those people stay in control I think that the Republicans could have an electoral majority as far as the eye can see I completely agree with you and I'll go even further which is I think that the Democrats will lose one of California or New York in the next eight years if they don't attack right that so that's the key question they're not going to attack if you think that the intelligent Genia quote unquote the Bill Gates readed Hoffman of the world that funds Dustin moskovitz that funds the Democratic apparatus at the highest level if they can't change what are the odds that the state infrastructure or the local infrastructure changes I think maybe on the margins the local infrastructure can change more quickly and adeptly because it just costs a lot less money and it's much more concentrated but I think the states are very lagered in that sense and I think that they take the table scraps of what's left over so if if you have the Democrats lead there is no chance that if unless they change the planks of their platform that the state legislatures in New York and California are going to change what they believe Nick pull up the the link I just sent so let me just underscore an important aspect for you guys on this which is the amount that the Democrats spent in this campaign and obviously they saw a significant negative return they lost across the board Senate majority House Majority governorships the White House but they spent more here you can see the difference between the Harris campaign and the Trump campaign spending Harris campaign spent nearly $900 million the Trump campaign 350 million if you look at the super pcts the super PCT spent 1.4 billion on the Dem side roughly 400 million 450 million on the Republican side and if you scroll down in some of these key Senate races the Dems far out spent the Republicans and still lost the Ohio Senate race shared Brown $58 million of spending Bernie Moreno 21 million and Bernie Moreno had a resounding Victory John tester 84 million is spending Tim shei 22 million T Tim shei won the uh the election so across the board the spending was greater the return was negative because money cannot overcome common sense so my question again is does this not necessitate attack to the center for the Democrats they want to see the party survive and if they're going to continue to lose like this they will not continue to maintain the same policy agenda that got them into this position in the first place jcal do you think that the Democratic party will need to tack to the center and that they're going to start to adjust because of this they they started that process they knew that going into this election and they started moving to the center it was laughable in some cases because you have like kamla talking about providing sex changes for prisoners and you know all of those receipts came out out so even as she started to try to get to the center people didn't buy it so of course they're going to but what's very interesting about spend there and the genius of trump is earned media what's earned media when you are trying to get hits in media you will put them into two buckets paid and earned what you just showed was paid paid is considered what you do if you can't earn media Allin podcast is an example of earned media we do this every week we earned our audience we didn't pay anybody for this audience and I think that was you know what Trump did uh and JD importantly someone someone that comes on the show earns that uh correct so that's the piece of this that I think is so important you don't have to pay to go on Joe Rogan but the candidate that the Democrats put out there was so bad that she could not even and I think Sax's you know Master at setting people up here the the Democrats put up a horrible horrible candidate and I know sax is saying oh it's not kala's fault kala could not go on Joe Rogan because they knew that it would be so embarrassing and that she would get so embarrassed that it would lose her votes his Doom Loop uh you know observation from I don't know eight weeks ago you had that sax was exactly correct the more she spoke the more she started going down she was leading Trump at one point on poly Market in some of these places and she absolutely proved that she could would not communicate well and so and I just want to just circle back to the point about inflation here's the McDonald price increases that I was mentioning before end of 2019 you could buy a McChicken for a buck 29 and in mid 2024 it was $389 the majority of Americans wind up going to Taco Bell McDonald's every week some cases multiple times a week you cannot discount exactly how profound this cost of eating food and buying groceries had on this election it is the number one issue I think this election we can talk in our bubble about it but about inflation this is what I mean by a return to normaly these are normal people problems how much does it cost to put food on the table how much does it cost to drive from point A to point B I want to send my kid to a school where they go and they learn the ABCs and the one 123s because they're going to have to graduate and compete with India and China I don't want to worry about indoctrination and all this other stuff absolutely yeah so look I I did predict the Doom Loop for Comm Harris two months ago because she is just not good at interviews or being off the cuff or being unscripted not good is generous yeah s sxra Damas was right about that absolutely however and I would say the biggest problem in her campaign is that she would neither defend the Biden Harris record nor say what she would do differently the question you have to ask is why and I think it's because she was in a really tough position that her own party put her in which is they said you can't criticize Joe Biden yep because he's the sitting president but at the same time you can't defend him either because he's so unpopular well what made him unpopular Democratic party policies they should have frankly looking back they should have just let Joe Biden defend his own record the old man must have been in the White House nashing his teeth saying please put me in the game let me defend my own record he at least believed in it the Democrats wouldn't defend their own record because it was so bad you have to put some blame for that not just on KLA but on the entire party that's my only Point sax it's so obvious that the technique they used to defeat Trump in 2020 after those chaotic four years was hey do you want normaly and thenni is that 15 million votes what wait what's that I I didn't hear the the joke I said what what tactic was that 15 million extra oh you're please don't start with the conspiracy theories well going to say this has to be a conspiracy theory nowy right who's the chart from what's the Providence of the chart just just so you know the Y AIS starts at 50 million so don't be you know like a little too crazy like they they mailed hold on we go down this rabit let me just finish my point then you guys can go to conspiracy corner and say the election was stolen the point I'm making here is obviously Biden ran a very successful campaign against Trump based on Vibes and based on his creating chaos in the country in most people's mind and this return to normaly so that did work for them previously it just didn't work this time because they had to defend their record on the border they needed to defend their record on the economy and saxs is exactly right they didn't touch that and how do you not talk about their own record and their record had some good bright response to it record low employment record high stock market and we tamed inflation and they could have had a really great discussion about inflation and just said Hey listen both of the last two terms there was a lot of spending and so inflation manifested during the last four years and uh hey we tamed it so here we are we still have record low unemployment we still have a record high stock market and we tamed inflation things are going to get better but she couldn't even communicate that I can communicate that better than the presidential candidate come on she could have easily done that free let me just go back to your point about the money it is true that the Democrats had roughly three times as much money as the Republicans did the Democrats had something like a billion dollars for this campaign the Republicans had presal campaign for the presidential campaign exactly the Republicans obviously still won in a landslide I'm sorry that excludes that excludes the super pcts which had additional funding that were going towards supporting the nominee as fair enough my point is just the Democrats had a massive advantage on the money side they also I think think had a massive advantage on what you would call the Legacy Media side I mean I don't know how you put a value a dollar value on what the Legacy Media has done not just in this election cycle but for the last eight or nine years they have basically call Donald Trump a Nazi a fascist a traitor a did it work or did it their to get to that blew up in their faces they called him an agent of Putin they called him an insurrectionist they called him a convicted fellow they called him a dictator they've been yelling that at the top of their lungs now for at least four years the country didn't believe it I would just say that the Legacy Media spell is broken their credibility has been destroyed and I think that the repudiation of the Legacy Media is one of the most important results of this election it just shows that the Democrats had I don't know how you valued a trillion dollar propaganda machine on their side and Trump was still able to win and you have to at the end of the day say that that's a result not just of alternative media gaining Steam and free speech on X I think those were absolutely necessary enablers it's also the fact that Trump has a trillion dollar personality and is a tremendously gifted communicator and politician in his own unique way but then but finally you have to say that the issues are on Trump's side Americans want the border to be sealed they see that the spending and the bureaucracy in Washington are out of control they do not want woke cancel culture anymore they see America getting over involved in Foreign Wars they want the spending to be brought back home where it benefits them these are the key points of the Trump agenda and at the end of the day whatever you want to say about Trump he ran a campaign based on issues he talked about issues what did comma Harris run her campaign on Vibes celebrity endorsements name time debunked hoaxes I just want to go around the horn real quick and ask each of you guys once again I'm going to ask you one more question after this What mattered most was it the policy sacks as you're proclaiming is what a lot of people voted on was it the issues with the candidate the individual or was it the media or the the campaign tactics are those three what What mattered most you think in terms of moving votes what moved the most V list I don't think you can separate the man from the message or the messenger from the message okay listen if you had a conventional Republican out there don't think that they could have overcome the trillion dollar propaganda machine in Hand of the Legacy Media that being said I think if Donald Trump had been campaigning with Mitt Romney's message or Mitch McConnell's message I don't think he would have gone anywhere I don't even think he would have been the Republican nominee you have to say that Trump since 2016 has tapped into something very deep in the American electorate and you know this is something we can get into but I think that if you look back now over the last 10 years is clear that he's the transformational figure in American politics it's not Barack Obama with all due respect j k your turn the policies yeah the individual or the campaign tactics it's very clearly this had to do you know primarily with kamla it is the candidate and how she was selected yeah I mean obviously if you had it's it's interesting for you to say that as a Dem right because I think that may have chased a lot of people moderate I'm not a voted Republican one third of the time maybe even a little bit more recently but two two3 you voted them so you were open to that and I'm leaning moderate I mean I've been very clear about that my record's been very clear about that it is clear that it was her because I will say if you had put up fredberg and I think it's great that you're forcing us to pick one of the three and it's a hard thing to do but if you had picked Dean Phillips and Shapiro I think they would have beat Trump very easily or because remember Trump was phenomenally unpopular and I think the big question that's to come out of this is how did Elon do getting young men and how did Joe Rogan and podcasts like ours do at getting young men to come out and vote that's something we haven't talked about yet and I feel like that could be the one thing that comes out of this election over the coming years that we look at that'll be the sustainable change is that young men are now voting and they want to vote for something very different than white women or old people and chamat what is your on What mattered most do you have one of those three how would you wait you to R I think the policies of the democratic party are fundamentally broken they've become the exact opposite of where they were even 20 years ago so the Democrats used to be the protector of free speech now they are pro censorship the Republicans are free speech the Democrats used to be all about anti-war now they are more like to get mangled into all of these foreign Misadventures in partnership with the military industrial complex whereas the Republicans have been a bull workk to war and they embraced the chaines ultimate proof of that oh my gosh I mean that was the scariest and oddest turn of events so I think that what happened is the policies they just lost their way now the question is was it purposeful or was it by accident and I think that belies the bigger question which is just the people in charge of the democratic party I think to Sak's point do they even have a sense of that they have to change or are they just so now fundamentally out of touch and they just believe what they believe so ferociously they're going to have to go through maybe three or four or five more elections of just getting totally trounced in order to learn the lesson okay I'll I'll um I'll wear my mlin hat and say chof right answer now my next my next question back to you chath is I've had a lot of conversations in the last few days um with good friends with people I'm close with with family and so on hold on freeberg what do you think before you ask the next question I think policy matter but but here's the the the stumbling block if you talk to anyone that did not vote that that did not vote for Trump and voted for kamla Harris that is you know kind of reasonable people or what you know I I don't want to kind of classify people but people that you would normally have decent long form conversations with and you start talking specific policy issues with them the convers keeps coming back to Trump the person in my experience people can't see past a person who is a quote convicted felon as they claim who is taking away women's rights who is a bully who is mean a lot of this is influenced by his past behavior and things he said and the way he's said things and done things on Twitter we can we can Proclaim that there was a lot of misrepresentation about Trump in the in the Legacy Media but there were a lot of tweets that Trump put out that we offputting to a lot of people so I want you chamat to speak to the many individuals out there who are good people who feel disenfranchised who are not like the the funny people you can make fun of on Libs of Tik Tok or what have you but just everyday normal people that said I really don't trust the guy I really don't believe that this is a good person and I think that the policies make more sense I agree with a lot of the policy issues but frankly the guy doesn't seem like the right guy for me how do you kind of break through is that possible and can you speak to that person to help them kind of see past the individual to the policies and have trust and faith that this individual can actually Shepherd this nation forward there are so many very powerful examples of how the media colluded with the Democratic party to fundamentally lie about things that actually happened when it relates to Donald Trump one of the most simple and Powerful was the lie about Charlottesville when I process Charlottesville I'm probably one of those people David that you talk about I was just so scared and angry and I took at face value what the media said that Donald Trump said and then I was really angry at Donald Trump until I saw the footage and saw that it was just an complete lie and that is just an incredible shirking of responsibility that the media has undertaken the deviousness the dishonesty it's really bad and that's where I said I have to stop as a grownup rational man as the head of my family I need to reer where I'm coming from well head of my family with Nat when she lets me be but anyway feel I can feel her you listen to I can feel that one back to H me keep that line in Nick I am the head of my family okay anyways guys let's get let's get back up go back go back go back go back but but the thing is like I started to reenter it and I do that every day in my day job I'm running a company is 8090 going well or not well it depends on the conditions on the ground when things are going well I need to do more of those things when things are not going well I need to re underwrite is it something that I'm in control of is it something that I've missed how do I change it how do I get my team to be better I live it every day in investing it's the same thing you know there was periods where I was on top of the world and everything was working then there were waves where things were not working but I still had to show up and do my job well as it's turning out in those Darkest Hours was when I probably have made some of my absolute best new Investments that would not have happened if I did not keep my feet on the ground and constantly re underwrite and try to challenge my biases there are so many examples that have happened to Trump that when you actually unpack them there was a concerted effort to lie and that is why it's important for folks to be able to suspend that judgment the second thing I would say is then you saw four years of the man in office and if you actually separate the interpretation by the media who frankly just hate him with what he actually did you take a step back and you're like man these accomplishments were incredible for example let's look at what happened with the Abra hemicords we have never been closer to substantial and sustained peace in the Middle East in any era of government under any president than we were when Jared Kushner on behalf of Donald Trump negotiated those agreements and look how far we have slipped since then and all of that happened as a result of the incoming government wanting to undo what was so logically right in in the first place and part of that was to feed a media cycle so again I just go back to David all of these normal people and I know a lot of them as well speak to them yeah like I mean yeah you guys need to just take a step back and take a beat and just think about something for a second how do so many normal high functioning well-intended people switch sides how did that happen now jcal let me ask you the flip side of the coin you have expressed publicly recently even on a podcast yesterday with Sachs in vigorous debate on the show many times reservations about Trump and the character of trump yeah how do you feel you obviously align with the policies that he's highlighted and indicated you you've said so absolutely yeah do you see past the person or do you still have a a strong degree of reservation about the individual and do you see that playing out in your cohort friends family what have you that there's strong reservation because of the character yeah it's a great question you know I think the thing we have to do now is come together as a country he's the president it's great that it was not a debatable election and we're not going to have riots at the capital and people beating up police officers and now it's time to actually look at what Trump said and then we will grade him on what he actually gets done and and you know if he is able to hang out with the cohort of Elon and chamath and Sachs and JD Vance I feel a lot better about it now there's a lot of people speculating he will turn on shth he will turn on Sachs he will turn on Elon and that relationship will end in the next year or two that's what I'm looking at Will trump actually do the things he says he's going to do and what did he say he was going to do well he's not going to have a National Abortion man he's not going to have kick people out who get college degrees here remember he said on the show he's going to staple the green guard to it and but then there's other and he said he's going to end the Ukraine the war in Ukraine on day one so let's make a list of all the things he promised and like anybody else let's judge him based on what he gets done now some of the things he promised like the mass deportation of 15 million people I think a lot of people even on this podcast probably don't agree with I don't think anybody here wants to see 15 million people who came here to have a better life and who are working hard and who are productive m MERS of our society literally get dragged out of here the the 500,000 that are criminals or a million sure nobody wants to see them uh get a free pass here but you know there's going to be some of the items on his agenda that are going to be very uncomfortable to see executed and some of them would be amazing and miracles if he comes in and all of a sudden Ukraine war is settled fantastic if he starts dragging a million people every you know two or three months out of the country that could be absolutely disastrous and incredibly hard to watch happen in America so we got a judgment based on his actions that's great let's give him the support he needs and I really hope you know the thing that gives me hope is the fact that saak chamath Elon and JD Vance are by his side so I'm goingon to move on to the rest of the election the other races so so the presidency we've talked about let's talk about the house and the Senate sacks in the house there's 37 races that have yet to be called but it looks like the Republicans need about 12 more to be called to have a majority it seems very likely I mean ACC according to poly Market it's 99% that the Republicans will have the majority in the house the Republicans have control of the Senate and Trump is in the White House what are the top policy items that the Republicans will pursue with this degree of legislative and executive control what's number 1 two3 on the list what's top priority and how are they kind of getting together to figure out what and how to execute those items in the in the weeks and months after January 20th well so first of all I think the Senate majority matters a lot in terms of trump getting the appointments that he wants because if he was just at 51 let's call it it would be quite hard Susan Collins and Lisa marowski tend to be very very moderate uh Republicans and would oppose I think a lot of conservative appointments Trump's already at 53 senators and there's two more that are still up for grabs and waiting to be counted so he might get to 54 in the next week or so it just means he's going to have a Freer range on appointments I think that'd be really good for for uh Bobby Kennedy I think it might be harder to get Bobby Kennedy confirmed for a major cabinet post with 51 with 53 54 I think we get there I think that's a really great thing for the country there's other appointment appointments in a similar vein that I think it be easier for for Trump to get through in terms of the rest of the agenda I mean Trump clearly does want to end the war in Ukraine is he going to be able to do it on day one no I mean I don't think that's realistic because frankly the ukrainians are not willing to make the concessions yet they're not in a place where they're willing to make a deal I still think that what Trump was saying during the campaign if you look at it as expression of his motivations and where his sentiments are coming from they were good sentiment but if he can't solve it on day one because the ukrainians don't want to make a deal I can't really fault him for that but I think he'll try I think that on Doge there's clearly a strong desire of many in the Republican party and Elon and the people that Elon brought with him for major government reform much more efficiency much less spending I think that we have to get as much of that past as possible in the first certainly the first year there's a necessity for legislative action to get all the cuts in federal spending that they're looking to cut is that right Sach so if if elon's objective is cut trilon there might be some things you can just do through executive orders and they should do as much as they can but I think you do need some congressional action as well this is an area where it's just going to be really hard because spending is a bipar and problem and it's going to be really hard to jam through the type of deep reform that we really should have at the federal level but I think that now there's a shock because Trump does have majorities in the House and Senate that he can at least get something through so at least we have a shot of getting something done there are we going to get two trillion in Cuts Like Elon wants I would love that I doubt you're going to be able to pass that through Congress but do you start with that number and then work your way down to a number that you can get both parties to support maybe that's possible hopefully I would have started I would have started with three then but I mean that's just my that's just my tactic but whatever but I think reforming the bureau is just such a huge theme coming out of this election and we just have to figure out how to get that done got the Mandate we have the Mandate that's Trump's mandate and the the federal government is such a large sprawling it is the largest organization on earth except for maybe the CCP and in that sense you really have to have leverage in leadership to be able to realize that degree of action at that scale so the cabinet positions matter a lot to realize that agenda is that is that fair to say chth and you know maybe we can talk a little bit about who are the the folks in the orbit of Donald Trump and the transition team that are being considered for different cabinet posts and you know as an adviser or as a let's call you a theoretical adviser uh to the transition team what are the kind of key posts that matter to you how would you kind of advise them who to look for that could really realize the outcome that the Mandate is dictating well I I have no influence on this process so I'm just totally spitballing but right people who I think are who I think are excellent I'm going to put Bobby Kennedy right at the top of the list I think that Bobby has an opportunity to allow the transparency of information that will allow folks to keep doing what we've done or to change course in a way that right now I think is a little bit more difficult than it needs to be I think Vive ramaswami is indefatigable I think he's a you know if you remember back to the Republican primaries there was only one person that did not attack Donald Trump and it was viic I think he um believed in what Donald Trump was doing and was willing to sort of embrace and extend this idea so I think he'd be a really good proxy I don't know what role that looks like but I just think that he would be exing there's some rumors that he's going to run for governor Ohio but he'd be amazing in the federal government tulsy gabard we got to get there yeah yeah I just just to go through the list I think tulsy gabard is so awesome for what role what would you put her in you know the rumor is is Veteran Affairs yeah Veteran Affairs but you know hopefully it's at least that yeah that's a cabinet position right just for those who you know there's another race that's going on that's really below the surface but is extremely important and that is the new Senate Majority Leader MIT Mitch McConnell says he stepping aside there's two major C th versus Mike Lee yeah well it's it's John th versus Corin from Texas and Mike Lee has been sort of agitating it's not clear that Mike Lee will throw his hat in the ring if he did I would be all in favor of it if Mike Lee who is from Utah doesn't we should really go with whoever he recommends I really trust that Mike Lee will represent the Maga agenda whereas quite frankly the other candidates will be a continuation of Mitch and this Trump's moment to weigh in on that he's basking in the glow right now he is in the winter Circle he can get anything through the Republican caucus and I think that he could weigh in right now in the Senate majority race and make sure the right person gets it if you get a continuation of Mitch McConnell you will not get real reform through the Senate look at what happened during Trump one Mitch McConnell was one of Trump's biggest opponents so there would be Alternatives but I think Trump would have to step in and act there's some talk about Rick Scot from Florida being a candidate I think he'd be very good if he's still in the race or just go right over the top and go with a Mike Lee this is your moment to basically put in a loyalist and then the big cabinet positions that are left I think defense probably somebody like Rick grenell who's already worked for Trump and was the dni right at the end I think and then in treasury it's you know I think people say it's between scottt bessent and John Paulson I'm not so sure I don't know fed Governor I think it's like probably hasal but then you know I saw like you saw Jerome pal Jerome pal this morning said he would not step aside if asked to resign by Donald Trump no he's got two more years so he's got until 26 he's got until mid 26 so you know I mean the rumor I don't want to say too much but I think this is pretty much out there I think reyell wants State not defense I think that it's not to say he's going to get it I don't know but that's been out there for a long time I I think that what a lot of people in let's call it the Maga movement the America first movement are going to be looking at very closely is do neocons worm their way into this Administration look at what happened during Trump one he ran in opposition to Forever Wars I think was a major part of his appeal it's what allowed him to shatter the bush Dynasty it's what I think really hurt kamla in terms of having the Chinese Embrace her so it's a major part of his I'd say not just appeal but also his legacy that he will not continue forever Wars but the problem is that the blob keeps infiltrating the Trump Administration or they did they infiltrated Trump one by putting in John Bolton and esper and all these guys who frankly betrayed Trump totally so I think a lot of people are looking closely at will neocons be able to worm their way into this Administration and if they do it's a very it would be very very sad I think the difference this time around which is so incredible is that you're now seeing on X people asking all the neocons to be named and shamed and they're creating these lists so that they can't worm their way in it's the most incredible thing I've ever seen where have you espoused those views in the past if so the likelihood that somebody will raise an alarm Bell now on the so that you can't get near this Administration I've never seen anything like that before actually yeah and you know what here's the great danger is you look at the last few months okay who was there for trump it was people like Elon it was basically you know all of us who worked and look I'm a very minor minor figure but I did my little part and there were a lot of other people on the ground doing their thing but where is Elon today Elon had to fly home for a Tesla board meeting he's got real companies to run and who all of a sudden shows up in maral Lago the swamp creatures they were nowhere to be found for the last three months now the swamp creatures come crawling out and they're going to be swarming Mara Lago and trying to worm their way into the administration and that's that's the the issue is we got to keep you know this is where I I hope that all the the Maga influencers Stay Frosty and stay involved we have to consolidate this Victory and get reform type people in the administration not just the usual type people from Washington would you serve if asked no I mean look I I've already said before I'm the key manic craft I can't do that but you know look I would do something part-time meaning if it wasn't a full-time job if I didn't have to leave my current job if it was just serving on some advisory committee or something that that was compatible with my current job I would do that that's a no-brainer I would love absolutely if not full-time because I'm running a company but yeah if there was the opportunity to help basically just put me on the Doge committee sacks if you wouldn't mind I just want to go like line item by line item in one afternoon and I'm out of there like I'm just gonna go did say this today but he said The A Team are running companies we're all we're all running companies but if asked to serve especially in a part-time capacity where you don't have to divest everything you own and you can actually just go and call and actually just make sure good decisions get made it would be an honor to serve in that capacity yeah I think everybody should have given a chance I want to say one thing just to build on yeah and then I want to ask you one more question sham go ahead I do want to give a shout out to Elon and in one very specific way you know you've heard all these stories where he gets obsessed about something and then he focuses on it at the sake of everything else and strips it down and gets to First principles rebuilds it back up and it works and as far as I can tell basically when he decided that this election was going to come down to Pennsylvania on one hand and young men on the other he just kept doing that one thing over and over and over again every time you turned on X he was doing a rally crazy he was speaking to the residents of Pennsylvania and spent like two weeks there young disaffected voters and getting them out and then his pack built an infrastructure that rivaled the Democratic infrastructure in terms of get out the vote and transation with a lot less money and only a month or two is is incredible well and then the sweet Stakes was also inred it's really really incred there was a lot of controversy around the sweepstakes idea I don't know why that was so controversial because if you think about that was the media trying to make an issue that was a nothing Burger a burger yeah and so they you know I think this is where it was dismissed on its face because if any person spent eight seconds understanding the law the the the judge dismissed it within an hour so you know if we look at that million sweep Stakes to sign up for his pack if you think about how people normally uh get people to sign up they're paying a dollar a click probably $50 a click whatever it is using giving money to ABC or giving money to Facebook and he just said hey I'll just do a sweep stake sign up for this and then I have you in the database and then I can Market it to you there's no difference between giving away a million dollar sweep Stakes or buying a bunch of ads and paying by click and for everybody to frame that as he's buying votes when it was so clear he wasn't I think that's the kind of media manipulation people are getting Savvy to and does not work anymore it was very clear it was just a sweep Stakes to sign up for his pack no different than paying $10 a click to Facebook when the legal infrastructure of America dismisses a case on its face within 60 Minutes of it being heard it means it is a farce yeah I mean look I think what Elon showed is that a smart person can come in who who basically like you said can go into demon mode with how a startup or innovation mentality is willing to spend money but wants to do it smartly but is really hardcore can come in and beat the supposed professionals their own game I think one of the big stories that's going to come out there's already some tea being spilt within Democratic circles about Jen Ali Dylan who was the campaign manager that kamla Harris inherited from Biden she had a billion dollars to spend billion doll the campaign still ended $20 million in debt in debt and this at least has been reported Mone go so well I'll tell you the money went to expensive Consultants they did overly elaborate staged events they did these like fake concerts celebrity cameos supposedly they paid Beyonce $10 million and they didn't even get a song out of it and that ended up you know pissing off she got paid they were paying I don't know if that's true I just read it in a tweet so I I can't say for sure but that's what I read yeah who knows it sounds it sounds suspect but the point is they spent a lot of money on the consultants and you know the events and Elon went after the Amish you know that's like a lot smarter the person on the Democratic side where I feel the most disappointment after all of this is Barack Obama I think he in the period when he was elected to me was just Transcendent and I thought that this is a person that really was immune to getting assimilated into the B and I don't know why I thought that but I did think that and I was just so saddened to see the tone and the rhetoric from Barack Obama during this last home stretch it I think was reputationally very damaging to him what did you say that offended you it was less about it didn't offend me it was just observing or disappointed you the when the rhetoric was you know trying to propagate these lies the very fine people hoax all these things I just thought he's so much smarter than the abortion ban the abortion ban he knows that these things are not true why is he saying objective lies I don't really judge politicians for doing it in general but I never considered him a politician I sort of considered him here just like this Echelon above and I and I was I was really disappointed that he chose to go down that path yeah well I I I could definitely add to that I mean look I think o Obama's whole Mystique was that he transcended into politics and he tried to maintain that position of being above the fry and Let The Grubby business of politics be beneath him and even during the whole coup against Biden I mean they say that Obama signed off he was basically in favor of the the switcheroo to Harris but he was the last person to endorse it right he did not want to be seen as doing the dirty work that was left to Nancy Pelosi but there's no question that the switcheroo I think was was backed by Obama and then he did everything he could to prop of Harris including using the very fine people hoax telling these lies and I I agree chamath I think that he has diminished himself he's brought himself now down to the level of politics down to the level of a average politician right I think probably you're disappointed because you had such a high Benchmark for him but we were just talking about Trump saying he would end the war on day one he said that he's going to deport 15 million people and you know all these politicians lie so I think my closing statement on all of this is y'all were a key part in putting Trump in obviously and if he starts behaving in the way he behaved during his first term the darker things he did I hope that y'all will call him on it and publicly call him on it and that he will steer towards you know his better angels and that's my hope for America and my hope for all of you who helped put him in office and played a very significant role in getting him here when he does something crazy if he does try to drag 15 million people out the the country is that okay with you sex well you said that he would start with a million of people 500,000 to a million who are clear criminals he should do that what JD said and we all agree yeah JD said that the way you about the other 14 he said that the way that you do deportations is the same way you eat an elephant you do it one bite at a time eat a sandwich so the way you eat an elephant is you do one bite at a time let's start with the biggest criminals the biggest people who shouldn't be here and then let's see what happens after that and look if he went 14 million what would you you be in support of that I we haven't gotten there yet the point is you take the first bite of the sandwich then you talk about the second bite but there was a line from the 2016 election about Trump that I think was attributed to Peter teal which is very important which is that Trump should be taken seriously but not literally sometimes when he expresses a policy or a point of view he sells it so when he says I'm going to end the Ukraine war on day one does that mean he's literally going to do it on day one no what it means is he's going to try really hard to end the Ukraine war if he does it on day 365 of his presidency instead of day one I'm not going to come out and say he lied he didn't do what he said no I'm going to say he got the job done he did what he said he was going to do so I think it's very important to judge him in that way when he says I'm going to deport 15 million people do I expect him to do all 15 million not necessarily but if he closes the Border builds the wall seals it so it's no longer a problem and deports 500,000 to a million hardcore criminals out of this country I'm going to say that was a massive success and you know what's going to happen Legacy me is going say well he lied because he didn't Deport the other 14.2 million come on let understand let's understand the difference between camping and governing I agree with all that and I do think if he does try to do the 14 million that's the thing I have concerns about got it okay freeberg over to you so let's talk about the cabinet positions chamath a guy like RFK Jr has never held an executive position before you and others on this panel saaks J myself we''ve all kind of managed large groups of people we've all been in positions of being a CEO of a business you talk a lot about bringing in The Outsiders and the Trump campaign talks a lot about bringing these Outsiders sexs begrudgingly highlights the swamp creatures emerging to ask for those slots and those positions because they are lifelong politicians and bureaucrats how do we have trust and faith or do you think that that's the whole point is that you have folks that don't have the experience to run these organizations that don't have the insights on who actually works there on how they operate and them coming in is going to provide enough of a fresh perspective and things up enough that that's exactly the point and like talk a little bit about bringing in Outsiders but Outsiders that can be effective in transforming these government agencies not just blowing them up or is the goal to blow them up no again I would I would just temper and tone down that rhetoric there's not nobody's blowing up anything but I think step one is going to be a level of transparency so that doing the obvious becomes obvious and I think that if you look back over 40 or 50 years what has happened is that secretaries and political appointments have gone from get the best person in the job because they know it to here's political Peola if you will and I think the pendulum has swung to two far of an extreme that's why the Swamp People are able to maintain control because the person above them who's appointed doesn't fundamentally know the inner workings of the organization I suspect what you're going to see is a radical push to transparency and I think that when you combine transparency and SX called for this a version of the Twitter files for the government I do think you're going to see that but if you combine that push to transparency with a handful of topics you know by the way we introduced a long time ago this idea of zerob based budgeting into the Lexicon and language of these political candidates that they used all the way through to the Finish Line I do believe the Republicans earnestly mean it and so I think when you put these two things together freeberg I think what you will have is all of this laid be and then I think it'll start a debate on what to do and I think the the decisions about what to do will be so blindingly obvious the lwh hanging fruit will save this country once we pluck it can can I say a word about I I think it's so important for Bobby Kennedy to be confirmed in whatever c a position that he's going to get number one you know we look back the campaign now and it seems obvious that Trump was going to win it but at the time that Bobby Kennedy came on board that was a major factor in shifting momentum towards Trump so that's number one number two we need to keep Bobby Kennedy's Coalition as part of our movement it's not just about what he did in this last election it's keeping all of those people those young people and those former Democrats on side and part of the Republican Party in the Maga movement and number three he's genuinely going to reform that huge part of the bureaucracy and that's extremely important we need Outsiders to come in and shake things up he's right about the regulatory capture he's right about the marriage of state power and corporate greed let's have someone go in there who's got fresh eyes but also understands how the bureaucracy works because he's litigated and shake things up if you look at what Bobby posted to Instagram Nick I don't know if you can find it but it was pretty telling on this dimension of the first inning is going to be about absolute radical transparency and sharing with the American people everything that's been that's been under the covers by the way it's not just on that Dimension right we're going to see the Epstein files we're going to see the Diddy lists we're going to see the JFK file I know that these things are sort of Fringe conspiracy theory type things for some people but the point is from Pillar To Post that first phase of this radical truth seeking transparency is an incredible disinfectant that you can build from and he told the FDA I think something to the effect of pack your bags and keep your records now let's let's take the hyperbolic part of it out but it's the keep your records part that should be valuable because we deserve to have answers now when you think at the same time that you have inventions like AI that can crunch every single piece of data Under the Sun and tell you the absolute truth imagine when you put transparency and the government sharing incredible amounts of information with the compute power that the Googles and the Facebooks and the and the open a eyes of the world are creating you'll know these answers to all of these questions vaccines are they good or bad when how fluoride is it good or bad when how all of these drugs that have been approved why all of these drugs that have not been approved why you're going to start to see some really interesting things has there been research on the impacts of food on physiology were they suppressed were they not suppressed so I think phase one is get it all out into the open totally and and what I what I said just what what shth referred to is yeah I said we should do Twitter files for the whole federal government just what I meant by that is remember before Elon bought Twitter they told us for years that the idea that Twitter was shadowbanning conservatives and engaging in censorship was a conspiracy theory then Elon opened up the Twitter files and we saw that it was all true and moreover that the government was engaged in censorship they been working hand in glove with the trust and safety department the FBI had logins they could just go in themselves I me crazy the FBI had their own tool called teleport which would allow them to transmit secret instructions to the trust and safety team at Twitter and they were censoring based on those instructions that's completely unacceptable Twitter management lied about it the government lied about it we only found out through the Twitter files let's do a Twitter files for the federal government what do you think we're going to find out what do you think we' find out about covid what do you think really happened there if Bobby Kennedy can do that the lies they told us incompleteness of the actual clinical validation studies the authorizations and the waivers that were secured how good or how brittle or how fragile was that data by the way I think what we what it'll also do freeberg is if if it looks like this data is actually of extreme high quality you know what that does it reestablishes trust in that institution which is also a win so this whole thing is a win-win well and well let's not forget the foil leader they were literally being taught how to route around fou Team how to route around subpoenas and people looking for information I mean there's a lot to uncover here I'm 100% here for it yeah so just to be clear there there's a there's a there's a law in the United States called the Freedom of Information Act the Foya uh is kind of a common term and it gives the power and authority to individual citizens and and third party agencies to have a check and balance on the federal government that they can go in they can request actual data actual files and it is all necessarily available to the public at any time except for classified information okay well the federal government now over classifies everything we have something like what like a billion classified documents they literally classify everything so through the foyer process thirdparty lawyers and nonprofits have made requests to federal agencies to get access to this sort of information and I've done it I don't know if you guys have ever use foyer powers for information from the federal government I had to do foyer requests 10 years ago to get weather data or 15 years ago for my startup climate it was the only way we were able to get access to a bunch of weather data was through foyer requests and then we were able to use the that data in our services because it is public data the taxpayers pay for it so we had a right to it similarly you can make foyer requests of emails and uh inter agency Communications and so on but SX I think it seems and jcal to your point about the foil lady there may over time have been some degree of Corruption of the foyer process in all of these agencies which has made it more difficult for individuals and third parties to have the appropriate checks and balances on the data in these agencies because of the way they've kind of officiated access slowed down the process sometimes it takes months for them to respond to you and it's become quite difficult so the Foy the intention of the Freedom of Information Act may have been hindered by by the bureaucracy this will not be through for let me make one other suggestion is we need a massive declassification effort of the federal government maybe this is the way to actually implement the Twitter files strategy is the problem is we have a massive over classification problem billions of documents been classify at the federal government why because those bureaucracies know that they can kind of do whatever they want and kind of work in peace without having to disclose what they're really doing if they just Mark classified on a document someone needs to go through that and start massively declassifying and if they do that then there'll be a lot more documents available to foyer requests so that right there would be a huge help and then like you said the foyer process could be tightened up it could be a lot faster could be a lot easier and they should not be able to circumvent it by doing the kind of stuff that Jal referred to during covid where they were like deliberately misspelling words Aster in you know hacker speak in order to avoid this and they were also told a bunch of people who are in three-letter agencies just by default put this at the highest level of security not to be disass Declassified so they unnecessarily put everything in classified and so now every email is marked at the highest level of classification which means there's no Discerning it and if you were to blame an FBI agent if they told you hey just put everything on classified so it doesn't get out okay that seems like a pretty good way to cover your ass and that's got to change yeah well a lot a lot to to come in the weeks ahead I'm sure we will do more updates as the cabinet position you're a man of science I know you have some differences with RFK do you want I have very deep trepidation about RFK having oversight I think the authority might be limited with respect to the legislative Authority that's vested by the Congress which is the the one piece I I look I mean as you guys know there's a lot that RFK brings up that I very that that resonates with me I I'm not a black and white guy so there are things that he says that make a lot of sense there are things I've pointed out particularly around microplastic in the environment particular around chemistry that we use in our food and our systems of food and production and I I believe very strongly that we have real issues that have you know compounding effects on our health so let let me not be be too flippant about that I am not a all vaccines are always good all the time person I think that every one of them needs to be studied on the merits and the risks I think fluoride is is an interesting conversation to have what are the merits what are the risks and why is it a federal why is there Federal authority over fluide and water which by the way there isn't it's it's all local municipalities get to decide on a nuanced basis then net net where do you wind up freeberg net net where do you wind up I will say that there are a number of things that RFK have said that that caused me a lot of trouble that that I'm very troubled by because I think that he has said things that are factually wrong and I want him to be open to debate and open to review of objective truth and that's it and that's it and as long as do you like him as a disinfectant as a rabble Rouser as to shake up the system or netn net do you think it's too risky to let him in generally I think all these systems should be challenged 100% okay so you want to send him in you say you want him to be open to debate I I personally have never seen a candidate for office who's been more open to discourse debate interviews than Bobby Kennedy's done everything he's been on this show twice classifying him otherwise I'm not classifying otherwise you know who is not open to debate and discourse and transparency is a bureaucracy that's the problem if you want government reform you have to get into the bureaucracy you need Outsiders to come in you need make it transparent you got to declassify that's what you got to do one of the most important aspects of science not the the recently Legacy Media or jokingly definition of quotequote science but science is meant to be a process of skepticism interrogation and the search for objective truth which means that you should be constantly questioning whether you are right or wrong and I do think that that is a necessary part of the process of science science is not meant to be a dictatorial regime and so I think that setting the framework for how we operate some of the agencies and authorities that are supposed to be rooted in science to have the necessary process of skepticism review and transparency into that I think will re reassert faith and reassert trust by the public in how these agencies are operating and I hope that that happens I I really do because I do think that there are very good people in all these agencies who do very good work and there's a lot of very important advances that have come out of the United States of America and have have gone through processes through the federal government that have actually done really great things for Americans and for Humanity and so I don't want us to dismiss things as being Whimsical bureaucracies that that don't have any rooting in science but I do think that it's important to have this degree of skepticism and process and have transparency so that's all well I'd like you to show me in the Constitution where the bureaucracy or the administrative state is a branch of the government I see in the Constitution that we are supposed to be ruled by an executive branch a islative branch and a judicial branch I do not see hold on I do not see an administrative branch that has sprung into into existence over the last several decades yep and it rules us there's roughly three million people who work for the federal government of those the president basically appoints 3,000 and it takes forever to get them through yeah so we have roughly three million people who don't report to anyone nominally they're supposed to report to the executive branch but the president can't fire him we talked about in the previous show if Elon had gone into Twitter and he hadn't been allowed to fire anyone do you think he could have restored free speech to Twitter of course not they just would have kept doing whatever they wanted to do and that is the big problem in the federal government right now is we are ruled by a fourth branch of government that is not in the Constitution that doesn't report to anybody it is not subject to elections we can't vote them out and we can't fire them and they have been in the Forefront of trying to stop Trump and the larger Reform movement that he represents ever since Trump got elected in 2016 remember it was members of the administrative State specifically the security State who said don't worry we're going to be the insurance policy against Trump and they have done everything possible through the rushia gate hoax through laare through yeah the whole steel dosier hoax to basically try and stop Trump and the reform movement that he represents and the big question of Trump's second term will be whether he can finally subdue this bureaucracy and bring it under Democratic control under the control the executive branch as the American people want and as I think the Constitution intended right now we are run by an unelected branch of government that has to stop and what Trump represents is not dictatorship but democracy the Triumph of democracy over this bureaucracy and a and a big a big important moment for for this movement this return to the fundamentals of what was vested in the constitution is the Chevon Doctrine case at the Supreme Court earlier this year It reversed the Authority for agencies to create their own rules and regulations that they can then enforce on private Enterprise and if that case carries through and is allowed to be used to support the efforts to deregulate or to De agency what you call kind of the bureaucracy I think it enables a lot of the change that that folks are looking for why should for example some commission be sprung out of you know some assembly being being created and then that commission gets to create their own rules and their own regulations that effectively are law that prevent private citizens and Enterprises from being able to operate and make decisions and I think that was a very important moment for this movement was the the Supreme Court case on the Chevon Doctrine earlier year I don't know if you agree with me on this seems totally agree I think that was an absolute precursor which is it it was insane I mean again you had a Supreme Court ruling that effectively made the administrative State the highest law in the land even though there's no constitutional basis for it so yeah repealing Chevron was definitely half of it and I think the other half of it is going to be whether lawmakers have to pass laws you can't have individual commissions pass laws that's that's the whole point we need bills passed by the Republican Congress that Trump can sign but we also need I think cabinet level appointments who will start to subdue the bureaucracy bring them under control find out what they're doing just give us transparency around what they're doing Twitter file this thing so then we can reform I think that we're going to look back on this era and I think it's going to last about 20 years or so at least which I call a return to originalism we are returning to the founding principles of this startup called America and I think it's incredible I think saak is right there is this unbelievable living document that created this incredible experiment we veered way far away from it it's taken us a lot of courage to get back to that place where now you can actually let that guiding document govern a highly meritocratic country so it's going to be a lot of hard work but my gosh it's just an incredible moment and opportunity everybody should just take a breath and remember that I just like to do a quick survey of some of the local and state elections and and get some reactions I was going to try and talk a little bit about what's going on in San fr Frisco in California I'll just hit on it our friend my friend Daniel lur was it looks like he's going to be the mayor of San Francisco beating out the incumbent mayor London breed Daniel ran on a moderate platform and has an intention of fixing a lot of the operations and inefficiencies in the San Francisco government which has seen a ballooning in budget San Francisco has the highest budget per capita of any city in the United States I think 50% higher than New York with a lower functioning kind of set of Municipal services and there's a lot of opportunity for improvement there this is the first time really important stat first time an outsider has been elected mayor in San Francisco since 1911 every mayor elected since 1911 in San Francisco was an existing government employee or government civil servant so just like what we saw in the federal elections we are seeing an outsider being placed inal office in S I wish I wish I wish Lorie Hardy congrat rations Nick can you show him the Tweet your city has become a dangerous dirty dumpster fire for bad ideas from Libs I hope you do the obvious and be on the side of cops Justice clean streets and meritocracy that's your message to the incoming well yeah I mean he is has been a major proponent you were going to run for mayor one once J I was lobbied I was approached and I was given uh a a lot of support uh seven figures of support to go do it it's a very hard job because the supervisors uh actually run the city and a lot of the supervisors uh like they got booted too no couple of them got booted Dean Preston got booted dopy Dean andp Dean that was big so the the Board of Supervisors has also shifted moderate the mayor is now going to be a moderate Outsider and there's a real opportunity to rebuild and reform San Francisco it's a place that I've called home for 25 years it's a place where I operate my business and it feels like a lot of the citizens what hasic I still live there hold on I still I still live there and I do think that it was a big election in terms of improving things in San Francisco so congrats to Daniel lur he's a friend of mine as well you go down to La another big race we booted gasone who was the Soros da who ruined San Francisco and then failed his way up to La was ruining LA and Nathan Hawkman who's uh you know moderate beat him by something like 20 points and then like I me mentioned we got prop 36 passed in California by about 70% which reverse from the excesses of Prop 47 which is the was the proposition a decade ago that was passed by then lieutenant governor Gavin and then attorney general kamla Harris to de facto legalize shoplifting so the people of California have had enough of these policies that frankly enable crime enable homelessness enable drug use and they want a correction look even wokes and blue State liberals don't want their cars broken into I mean it's really shocking it's really simple and I mean the crazy thing in Los Angeles with gasone was the a number of people who I know live there now know people in Santa Monica in brenwood in belir where we lived for so many years Sachs have home invasions have started again I mean that is like a real breaking point for it's scary to have your home broken into by a gang right and and you know one one final point on this is that while the people of California resoundingly again over 70% supported prop 36 there was one prominent figure who was opposed to it which was Gavin Newsome he said when he saw early polling I don't know what state I'm living in so you know look the state we're living in Gavin is the one that you created you're the one who gave us these policies you're the one who gave us Prop 47 you're the one who gave us zero bail you're the one who allowed the the Democratic party in California to be taken over by Soros da you've never resisted these policies now you have a choice you can see where the people are at over 70% of California wants a change I'd say on the rest of the country if it's 70% California 90% of the United States must you know is opposed to these soft on crime policies and if you ever have aspirations to be anything more than Governor California you better get on the right side of this issue scks David scks should be the governor of California let's do it no I'm I I am 100% serious it's the fifth largest economy in the world let's do it this is this is this is marked today as the day that I have decided oh that I de has decided that I am going to convince David to be the governor of California I know great campaign manager press secretary for him hype man I will say um I'm just gonna say that David sock would be an incredible governor of Califor I really I'm not a candidate I'm not a c I understand blah BL right now he's lying he said it to me privately there's no rumor I'm just telling you right now that within two years I will have convinced him to do it it'll be the perfect time Gavin Newsome has been terrible for the state we have seen trillions of dollars of market cap exit the state in terms of corporations that have left we have gone from record surpluses to record deficits we have an education system that is failing millions of kids what is going on here we have taxes that are through the the roof and when you spend more and more and more to get less and less and less and it takes more and more out of everybody's pocket what is the answer the answer is you have to fundamentally change everything that's happening from first principles well I will say one more Point um about I will call it balance in the force when uh a party is captured and moves too far in One Direction people leave the party and they vote for the other party and then in order to attract people back to the party they tack to the center my big prediction over the next few years as you will see a more Centrist Democratic party as they try and I'll take the other side and they try and attract they're too I'll take the other side so one one more topic before we W Sacramento SE sax and Sacramento not gonna happen not gonna guys before we WAP there's one other topic that came up in every conversation I had with everyone about Trump that was a female was abortion and it was and and look I don't want to rehash again that it was misrepresented what Trump's position is but abortion has become a very sensitive topic a woman's right to do what she wants to do with her body when she wants to do it is something that that most women feel they are very deeply endowed with and that should be an unalienable right particularly in the United States of America and that even sending this back to States and States voting on it creates a significant emotional response that drives folks to one party the other in Florida voters rejected an abortion extension to 24 weeks Florida previously had a 15we abortion ban but the current six-week ban took effect in May so the amendment that was being proposed on the ballot this week uh would have a cified abortion procedures up to 24 weeks in the state constitution but it needed 60% of the votes to pass but it only got 57% so it looks like a loss for a pro-choice Advocates sax what is going to happen now that these abortion laws are being voted on these amendments to state Constitutions are being voted on how is this going to reshape American politics and how are the parties going to shift in the years ahead given how important and how sensitive this this topic has has become after the decision of the Supreme Court recently look I I think that what you're seeing in the last election that we just had is the beginning of the end of the salience of this issue I mean abortion has been an issue that has deeply fragmented America for 50 years I mean the pro-choice versus pro-life movements have been a staple of American politics talking past each other they were never able to get to any sort of compromise with the appeal of roie Wade with the do's decision the issue has now been thrown back to the States and every state is working it out for themselves and in Most states what's happening is it's either the pro-choice totally wins or they compromise on some number of weeks I think that in Florida going for 24 weeks might have been a little bit too many if they had tried to go back to 15 you know they probably could have gotten there they probably could have gotten from 57 to to 60 but that's what the debate's going to be about now is just basically in red States it's just going to be agree about agreeing on a certain number of weeks Blue states are pretty much going to be pro-choice and you can see that the federal level no one wants to touch this anymore J you raised the point during the the election cycle during the campaign that dos would be crushing for Trump and that women were going to turn out in droves for Harris on the base of this issue that simply did not happen if you look at voter turnout Trump increased his share of the women's vote he did lose college educated women so that subset of you could call it more Progressive yeah sorry College educ older women too I think came out yeah but if you look at women as a whole he won more of their votes so how did Trump inoculate himself on this issue he made it really clear he was not in favor of a national ban he said that he favored the exceptions and that it was now up to the states he basically assured the country the women of the country that again that abortion would not be banned and that was now a local issue and I think the voters of the country including women accepted that and it is now a state issue so so Maryland Missouri I think it's gone Maryland Missouri Nevada Montana Colorado Arizona all voted to codify the right to abortion and remove abortion bans on the other hand Nebraska voted for a ban on abortions after the first trimester and South Dakota voted against a right to abortion so South Dakota prohibits all abortions except when necessary to you're going to end up listen you're even in deep red States like Ohio the pro-choice forces have won these referenda it's just a handful of cases like a very small number where the pro-life have gotten their their way again I think we're at the tail end of this being a salian issue in American politics I think Trump has ended it as a federal issue and it's now going state byst state and in most those States the pro-choice forces are winning I think this issue is over and I think it's over because Republicans know not to touch this jcal you've said it's the it's one of the most important issues of the day several times in the past you said women were going to vote in droves for comma because of the perception that Trump was trying to pass a federal a lot of them did clearly but not enough to swing the election and you know it's going to be you think it's gonna be to the question is Sach right is this GNA stop being an issue and it's now codified in state law and or is this going continue to be states where women will not be able to get an abortion sadly they will not be able to make that decision for themselves that's my personal belief they should be able to make the decision for themselves I'd like to stay out of it but sax is largely right that if you don't if I'm reading it correctly think about it if you're a state and you ban abortion who's going to want to live there you're going to have a lot of people leaving and that's been an issue here in Texas a lot of companies are having a hard time with not only getting women to move here to work at specific companies in Texas but men are a well are not are citing it as a concern so it's going to make it really untenable for an economy you're saying men don't want to work for Tesla or SpaceX because of abortions I have heard many stories about people not wanting to come work at companies in Texas because of this law yes I have heard that from employers I'm not talking about any of Von's companies I don't speak for him obviously but this has been an issue for companies in Texas okay guys this has been a fantastic followup to this week's election I know some people are bitterly disappointed frustrated angry and sad about the future of America and others are deeply optimistic and excited and I think the end of the day it's all gonna be okay and I really do hope that everyone can kind of have constructive conversations about the future we'd all like to build together we do here and uh I really appreciate the friendship with you guys I want to say congratulations to saak and chamath for putting yourselves out there as early as you did in campaigning and promoting Donald Trump I think you guys had a very influential role in moving people for the effort you made and the outcome congratulations more than listen I'll say what I said again he he's a good human being I would encourage you to get to know him yeah just that hold him accountable look if he wants to invite me to Maro to have a veggie burger and fries I'm there I will um I will hang out what no veggie burgers what are you talking about before you go it's my bestg B veggie burgers fake Bobby to ban anything with I know remember all all of your all that stuff is ver don't worry Bears on the menu vegans better learn to find natural sources of protein because the unnatural sources the free market Republicans have decided it's time to go in and ban the market for fake meat because my God we can't introduce fake meat we have to tell you what to eat what to do continues to disregulated your physiology s stop using your moderator privileges to push your agenda free bur take care guys I love you you byee love you guys byebye let your winners ride Rainman David and instead we open source it to the fans and they've just gone crazy with it love you queen [Music] of Besties are that's my take it I your driveway man oh man my habiter will meet me at we should all just get a room and just have one big huge orgy cuz they're all this useless it's like this like sexual tension that they just need to release [Music] somehow we need to get [Music] mer going all in